baigi du metelius koledze, tada gali stoti i bakalaura teiseje, baigi J.D. (bakalaura), tada jeigu nori, o tokiu mazuma, nes sito nereikia praktikai, eini i LLM, o tada jeigu sieji savo ateiti su destymu, moksline veikla ir pan eini i doktorantura - PhD

Visi kas mokosi J.D. yra baige bakalauro studijas trunkancias 4 metus. Kai kurie universitetai turi programas kur gali baigti B.A./B.S. + J.D. per 6 metus (taip kad sutaupai metus). Bet po 2 metu niekas i J.D. neina.
J.D. tuom ir skiriasi nuo L.L.B. kad i pastaraji gali stot po vidurines, o i J.D. - kai jau turi undergraduate degree.

Del koledzu tai tikrai nezinau, nes nesidomejau-neaktualu. Bet kad J.D. yra pirmasis laipsnis teises studijose, ty teises bakalauras-tai cia pateikiu is ABA (american bar association) website citata:
Standard 308 of the ABA Standards for Approval of Law Schools states that an ABA-approved law school may not establish a degree program in addition to its J.D. degree program unless the school is fully approved, and the additional degree program will not detract from a law school_s ability to maintain a sound J.D. degree program. The school must obtain the Council_s acquiescence prior to commencing such a program. The ABA does not formally approve any program other than the first degree in law (J.D.).

Crazy_world: man atrodo mes vienas kito nesuprantam. Taip, J.D. yra pirmas laipsnis teises studijose Amerikoj. BET tai nera bakalauro laipsnis. Tai yra pirmas profesinis laipsnis, kurio negali igyti jei dar neturi bakalauro. O be to tu pats pagalvok - niekas nesimoko keturis metus bakalaure kad paskui dar tris metus mokytusi bakalaure (t.y. J.D.). J.D. trunka tris metus, visi dalykai yra zymiai sudetingesnio lygio negu bakalaure, baigus atlyginimai yra didesni nei baigus bakalaura. Stojamasis egzaminas yra panasus kaip ir kitu magistro tipo studiju - MBA, grad school ir medical school. Kadangi J.D. uztrunka gauti tris metus, o ne du kaip kitur magistranturoj, tai jis yra priskiriamas prie "Doctorate" level of education, nors is tikro tai nera mokslinio pobudzio laipsnis, o labai orientuotas i praktika, i tai kad ismoktum viska kas reikalinga teisininko darbe.

Man atrodo suprantam tik ne iki galo :) aisku J.D. nera bakalauras ta tradicine prasme-kai tiesiog po mokyklos i universiteta, o poi to magistras. Bet tai tikrai ne "doktoranturos" studijos. doktorantura turi visia kita paskirti ir tiksla. J.D. moko to, ka mokytu bakalauras Europoje, todel ir rasiau tai tarsi bakalauars tesies srityje, suteikiantis teise praktikuoti, tikria ne tas grynasisi bakaluras, nes kaip jau mineta, pries tai reikia dar pastudijuoti :) O cia siek tiek istorijos (nepykit, kam neidomu, bet jeigu jau kalbam apie J.D.):
Following the arrival of the Ph.D. program in the United States (Yale, 1861), the creation of the modern J.D. program is largely credited to Christopher Columbus Langdell, who served as dean of Harvard Law School from 1870 to 1895. Langdell dedicated his life to reforming legal education in the United States; the historian Robert Stevens wrote that "it was Langdell_s goal to turn the legal profession into a university educated one — and not at the undergraduate level, but through a three-year post baccalaureate degree."[5] He was generally successful in remaking most American law schools in Harvard_s mold, since they often drew their faculty from Harvard. First, Harvard extended its LL.B. program from 18 months to two years in 1871, and then to three years in 1899. Then, in 1896, Harvard was the first law school to officially require an undergraduate degree as a prerequisite to admission (although the rule was not strictly enforced until 1909). By 1921, the same rule had been adopted by the law schools at Columbia, Pennsylvania, Case Western Reserve, Stanford, and Yale. Still, although the entry-level law program was revamped as a graduate program, the degree conferred continued to be called an LL.B.

However, upon its opening in 1902, the University of Chicago chose to award the J.D. rather than the Bachelor of Laws. Some schools started conferring the J.D. as a Latin honor for students with high grades. Eventually, the disparate treatment prompted schools to abandon the distinction and call all degrees conferred a doctorate. Yale Law School was the last to rename the degree - it conferred the LL.B. until 1971. Today, the basic degree offered by all American law schools is the Juris Doctor.

Crazy, tavo nick_as tave atitinka, ir copy paste istorija nelabai kam cia idomi. Jei dar neskaitei pries tai parasyto mano posto, tai pakartosiu kad J.D. yra pirmas profesinis laipsnis, del studiju trukmes priskiriamas "doctorate" level of studies, bet niekas jo nevadina Ph.D. ir ju nesulygina. LLM yra magistras.

Stai tau atsakymas is answers.com:
In the U.S., there are those who do not consider the J.D. to be a doctoral level degree and do not believe holders of the degree should use the _title_ "doctor". This is true even though the ABA, which accredits law schools, has stated that holders of the J.D. can use the _title_ "doctor."

jeigu nori apie pakalbeti placiau, p.m. man, nes visa si diskusija jau krypsta i lankas.

as dar paskutini karta sia tema pasisakysiu.
[quote="moody"]Juris Doctor yra doktoranturos studijos, bet tai nera tradicine doktorantura (Ph.D.). Kita vertus, jos trunka ilgiau nei magistrantura.

butent i si tavo sakini buvo mano pirmasis postas sioje temoje. As taves neizeidineju: kiekvienas gali tureti savo nuomone ir tai yra visada sveikintina, taciau reiketu neizeidineti, jeigu nuomones skiriasi. taigi tame ir esme-J.D. tik pavadinimas, taciau tai nera doktoranturos studijos, nei i jas panasios-pirmasis profesinis laipsnis (kaip ir pats rasei). o citata-tai tik irodo, kad istoriskai pats pavadinimas J.D. buvo pakeites LLB, ty bakalauro pavadinima.

Na va, daugiau sia "doktoranturos ar ne" tema neberasysiu-tik nesmagu, kai izeidinejimai prasideda.